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I have two computers, each with an ethernet card. No hub, just a lead connecting them directly.
I can ping the computers from each other by IP address - but that's it. I can't ping them by name. Even with firewall disabled.
The newer one is running windows XP, and came with its own network card, and the older one is running windows 98SE, which I installed a network card in myself recently.
After installing the driver for the network card, I used the XP wizard on the newer computer to set up the network, and create a disk to use to set up the computer running windows 98. Except that I've just discovered, the older computer's floppy disk drive doesn't work. So I copied the "netsetup" file off the floppy disk onto a USB stick, and used that instead - I can't see that that would have made any difference.
Any ideas? Is it something to do with name resolution? Thanks.
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as you're just connecting 2 pc's together you won't be using a DNS or WINS server. If you want to be able to ping by name edit the 'hosts' file and add the IP address and name of the PC you want to ping.
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Which are you using ? RJ45 or Coaxial cable connection?
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are you using crossover cables
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if they can ping by IP then the cable sounds right
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check to see that they both have different computer names. Same workgroup name will be fine however. They wont resolve unless they are unique.
Make sure you are using crossover ethernet cable as mentioned earlier.
Im assuming one machine will have two ethernet cards one for connection and one to hook crossover for other machine.
Make sure in the wizzard you specify dhcp
Then go to start, run
type in the box command , command window ill appear the type ipconfig /renew on the xp machine and ipconfig /renew_all on the windows 98 machine
maybe this will help.
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you can't specify DHCP unless you have a DHCP server running
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Erm sorry your wrong, why would you need a dhcp server anyhow? Most routers use dynamic host config protocol and they are not servers.
How else would his win 98 machine get its ip without it being exclusively specified??????
Either you choose to automatically let dhcp take care of it or you have to get down and dirty and add the ip yourself!
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Wow - you excellent people! Lots of replies. Some more info:
I'm fairly sure I'm using a crossover cable - I bought the cable at Tottenham Court Road computer fair, the bloke at the stall asked if I was connecting two computers directly or through a hub, and I said directly. Surely pinging wouldn't work if I was using the wrong kind of cable?
The newer computer is running windows XP Professional - I didn't know there was a difference between XP Home and XP Professional until after my last post.
I think I managed to get the newer computer to read files off the older computer once - that was before I'd set up any folder shares, which I've now figured out how to do. So the new computer recognised the name I'd given the old computer - it now appears in "my network places".
However, whenever I click on it to open it, it says "\\computer\folder is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator blah blah blah"
And it doesn't seem to make any difference whether the old computer is turned on or not - it still gives the same message.
But like I say - pinging works. So I figured that any TCP/IP between the two compy's would work. So I tried installing an FTP server on the older computer, and connecting to it and downloading files on the newer computer - that worked. However, browsing the web on the newer computer through the older computer doesn't work.
I'll try running the wizard again. When you start it, it gives you three options - This computer connects directly to the internet, This computer connects to the internet through another computer and other. I've tried using the second option, but not the first yet. When I try the first option, it says it cannot complete the wizard, because other computers cannot connect to the internet through this computer.
That might be because the computer does not have a modem. I've got a USB 56k modem that I plan to plug into the newer computer - but to be honest, I'd have liked to have been able to connect either computer directly to the internet, without it making any difference to local file sharing.
Im assuming one machine will have two ethernet cards one for connection and one to hook crossover for other machine.
Oh really? Do you need two cards in one machine? When you say "connection" and "hooking crossover" - what exactly do you mean?
Thanks for all the help so far.
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how can i be wrong when the 2 computers are connected directly? if they're connected directly then there's no router involved, just 2 computers and 1 internet connection on the host pc...
do you know about computers?
obviously not now jog on,.
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how can i be wrong when the 2 computers are connected directly? if they're connected directly then there's no router involved, just 2 computers and 1 internet connection on the host pc...
do you know about computers?
obviously not now jog on,.
You would get banned from any respectable forum im a member of for flaming like that.
How do you expect the windows 98 machine to resolve its network address without dhcp? Do you think they just miraculously start working. I merely said about the router as an example because you seemed to maintain that dhcp does not work without a dhcp server. Im aware this person does not have either or maybe they do but its not important
The point im making is that the second machine has to get its ip from somewhere and how does it do this with DHCP
By the way i have a degree in computing
So jog on cos you know nothing about computers. lol
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I meant another card for your internet connection however you might connect through usb. In which case you only need one. If everything is working and like u say u can pinhg both machines and your file shares are ok maybe the older machine has proxy data left on it perhaps if you used it as a dial up before?
It might still be looking for pages through a cache, people like wannado specify proxy servers that would stop you from accessing internet sites if you cancel and want to use the machine with a different provider.
Cant really look just now but its somewhere in your connection properties.
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By the way i have a degree in computing
So jog on cos you know nothing about computers. lol
you have a degree? like i said, you know nothing about computers or reading for that matter...
i actually work with them and networks and servers.. if you knew how to read then you'd have know the computers were connected directly so no router was involved.
flaming? you think that was flaming? you obviously don't know me, so tape your pish and get back to helping the OP with his original query
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Listen mate tell me this. How does the second computer aquire its ip address?
If you could read then you would notice what i mentioned about the router bring an example in my previous post. Obviously you cant.
hahahahahahaha psml
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you have a degree? like i said, you know nothing about computers or reading for that matter...
i actually work with them and networks and servers.. if you knew how to read then you'd have know the computers were connected directly so no router was involved.
flaming? you think that was flaming? you obviously don't know me, so tape your pish and get back to helping the OP with his original query
just so this guy doesnt come back and edit his posts im going to mark them here.
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the comptuer obviously aquired it by being entered as a static IP address.
if 2 computers are working together on a straight network then any idiot (except you) can understand that there's no router in the equation.
!!!! yourself laughing all you want but:
a) you're still an idiot
b) his network is working without a router
c) your degree means nothing
d) i know more about networks in my drunken state than you ever will
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I never heard so much rubbish in my life if you READ what I said you would know that i did not infer he had a router. All i was saying is you seemed to think you have to have a dhcp server running for dhcp to work when infact routers in general use this protocol too. As for entering the ip staticly the wizzard does this for you and how does it do it? By dhcp lol
I cant wait for your responce....
Now that i have taken the time and energy to explain that im going report you for your offensive and abusive comments.
Sorry dag about this horrible mess of a thread. One more thing enter network places and on the left hand side there should be something that says set up small network or something like that, wish i could check right now but im on a linux machine so very different. This will allow you to see and access both machine instead of saying no access or cant connect to network or whatever.
Other thing obviously is to right click on the folder or drive you want to share then take the sharing option and specify what folder or drive you want to share.
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Now that i have taken the time and energy to explain that im going report you.
Must remember not to post on any of your threads...
You would get banned from any respectable forum im a member of for flaming like that.
This is a respectable forum; just because someone has a differing point of view and they express it does not mean they are 'flaming'
I think telling tales was a little much
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I never heard so much rubbish in my life if you READ what I said you would know that i did not infer he had a router. All i was saying is you seemed to think you have to have a dhcp server running for dhcp to work when infact routers in general use this protocol too.
True, although as previously stated there is no DHCP server, or router. In fact most routers have a "mock" version of DHCP, not quite the same when compared to the DHCP you'll find at work.
If you're linking up two computers directly then you'll more than likely be using static addresses for both. It's what I'd advise anyway.
If however, you are going to be sharing your internet connection using ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) then I believe it has inbuilt DHCP assignment. In which case you only assign the address of the ICS machine, the other computer will pick up it's ip address via the inbuilt DHCP in ICS.
As for entering the ip staticly the wizzard does this for you and how does it do it? By dhcp.
Doesn't that contradict the point of DHCP which is dynamic assignment, not static assignment. I don't think the wizard statically assigns addresses, or not from what I've seen, it just searches for other machines/servers etc... and setups up a workgroup.
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Doesn't that contradict the point of DHCP which is dynamic assignment, not static assignment. I don't think the wizard statically assigns addresses, or not from what I've seen, it just searches for other machines/servers etc... and setups up a workgroup.
Reckon my head is going to melt over this thread. Yes your right the wizzard does not staticly assign the address. There are only two options you yourself staticly enter the data or you just allow the wizzard to assign the ip to the second machine and yes it does this dynamicly using dhcp. It was the later i was refering to. Cant really think of any occassion when i have used the wizzard i have had to staticly enter the address but there you go.
It wasn't a contradiction, just did not express it very well.